On today’s episode, I speak with Coach Stephanie Aragon from the Blackburn College Flag Football program in Carlinville, Illinois. We talk about what it takes to build a brand-new collegiate flag football program, how Coach Aragon is recruiting athletes from across the country, and the qualities she values most in future players beyond just athletic ability. She also shares what makes Blackburn unique, from its student-led work program and support for dual-sport athletes to the close-knit campus community and hands-on leadership. Lastly, we discuss what recruits can expect during the offseason, Blackburn’s inaugural spring 2027 schedule, and Coach Aragon’s advice for navigating the recruiting process with professionalism and persistence.
Matt: [00:00:00] Hi, everybody. Welcome to Discover College Flag. Today, I’m lucky enough to be joined by Coach Stephanie at Blackburn. Welcome, Coach.
Coach: Good morning. Thank you.
Matt: Yeah, good morning to you, too. Happy to have you. So, um, exciting things. Blackburn gonna have a full flag season next fall. Well, you’ll start in the fall for the spring season, right?
Coach: Yes. Yes. So right now, I’m building a brand-new program, foundation of everything, and so, um, the ones that are incoming, and obviously we’ll have some athletes who are already here and some students who are interested in playing as well. So we’ll be using the off-season for 2026, of fall 2026, to prepare for spring 2027.
The cool thing about it, though, is that I have a lot of dual athletes on my team, so they’ll be, you know, involved in, uh, you know, basketball, wrestling, women’s wrestling and stuff, so it… that’s exciting, ’cause they’re just staying active.
Matt: Yeah. No, a- and, and that seems to be, you know, I, I’ve heard from a lot of [00:01:00] different folks really recruiting folks either from other sports or the dual athletes, really just to, to, to kind of help seed the, the, the team with, with athletes, right?
With somebody who knows, and then you gotta teach them the flag components, right?
Coach: Right. So, um, we encourage, like, dual athletes here and, and, um, that’s a, a great thing because a lot of, um, skills that you learn from other sports correlates to, you know, flag or, you know… Um, for example, my basketball players that change a direction when they’re pivoting and everything, when flag, when they’re changing, if not, get their flags pulled and they’re, you know, they know that concept and they know the skill for it.
And, um, really athletes, right, in general, and if you’re a coachable athlete and everything, it makes it just so much easier.
Matt: Yeah. Uh, yeah, for sure. Well, in terms of, of, you know, you’re, you’re building a roster from ground up, like, you know, where, where are you going to recruit? Or did you, did you watch a lot of spring high school [00:02:00] flag football games?
You going to club tournaments? Uh, what, what, what’s, what’s it looking like?
Coach: All right. So I’ve been to Orlando. Um, I’ve been to, um, Green Bay, Indianapolis. Um, I’ll be going to Kentucky, uh, Louisville at the end of this month. I’ll be heading to, uh, Villa Park, Illinois, um, on Thursday to Willowbrook. They’re having like a, the Chicago Bears having a NFL seven-on-seven high school summer flag tournament.
Um, I’ve been to Chicago so many times. Uh, um, I even went back home to El Paso, Texas, um, uh, to do some recruiting because they had the Region 19 Championship before they headed to the State Championship, um, in, uh, Dallas this last month. So I’ve been around. I’ve, I, I even been to Glendale. So from Illinois, you know, little, uh, central, mid-Illinois to this, you know, part of some of the West Coast or west areas, and then of course Illinois.
St. Louis is only an hour and a half away, and they started, um, flag football, [00:03:00] so I’ve been re- uh, talking to some young ladies there. They’ve been coming to my clinics. And also Tennessee as well. I went to, um, the Jackson State Community College, uh, coach, uh, invited me to be a coach for his clinic that he had.
So I was able to go to Jackson, Tennessee to also let them know about Blackburn College as well.
Matt: Nice. So, well, you mentioned community college. I’m, I’m guessing that, you know, there are a decent number of, you know, j- junior college flag programs, and with a new program you don’t wanna have, you know, all freshmen, right?
So, uh, have you been looking at community college, uh, folks for, for transferring in as well?
Coach: I have. I have as well. Um, the really neat thing that I found out about, you know, with flag growing and everything, all the coaches have been working together- And they’re not ones to be like, “I’m gonna keep this recruit just for me.”
They open it up. And so, uh, for example, this, the Springfield coach, um, in Illinois, Springfield, Illinois, uh, invited, you know, me to also help out at a camp there and clinic. So we’re, we’re all working together to just get [00:04:00] talent out and introduce the flag football at a, the collegiate level. Even though it’s already at a JUCO or such, still at that up next level to give them the opportunity.
We don’t want to sh- uh, close doors to any ladies who might miss out. And so, um, I will take, you know, maybe a basketball player that’s a JUCO player who wants to try flag football. As long as the coach tells me they’re coachable and they have the, you know, the, these, these certain characteristics and skills, I will love for them to come to for my flag football, because it’s a brand-new program, and that’s where I’m sculpting and it’s up to me to be the coach to coach them up to get them up to par for the, with the flag football skills.
Matt: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Well, uh, uh, how many players are you looking to have on that initial first season’s roster?
Coach: So I would love to have 15. Right now we’re, we’re at the range almost eight to 10 due to, again, students coming here, um, new recruits, and then still, I’m still recruiting. I still have ros- roster spo- uh, spots available.
And then also students who are [00:05:00] already here that are, are still coming out. So the thing about here, um, NCAA and everything, um, or, you know, just proper etiquette, we don’t wanna poach players from different teams, right? They have to approach you. Yeah. So if a player, if a player mentions to someone else, “Hey, I wanna try out for flag,” they have to come to me.
I can’t come… If they’re already in involved in a different sport. It’s just proper etiquette too, right? Like, you don’t wanna do that either. And so, um, I know there’s many ladies here still on, on, at Blackburn College that are, that are current students that are thinking about still playing. They, they just haven’t approached me yet.
They’re more… You know, we have events, we have, like, uh, little flag football games, little pickup games, um, little open skill sessions and everything that they’re, they’re all invited to, to just come out and try it out.
Matt: Okay. Well, you mentioned, you know, you’re looking for athletes, you’re looking for coachability.
What about, uh, you know, what are some of the other things you’re looking for in a player that makes them stand out that, that you wanna reach out to them?
Coach: Yes. Um, so one thing I really [00:06:00] like to see is their character out there on the field, and how they also, um, adapt to adversity. So what I mean by ad- adapting to adversity, say if I’m a wide open receiver, right?
And the quarterback doesn’t see me, but they throw it to my other teammate who still catches the ball to get positive yards or, you know, progression, but just because I was wide open, I’m gonna go like this, throw my hands up in the air and be like, “What the heck?” You know, “I was wide open. Why didn’t you throw me?”
Or are you cheering your teammate on that caught that ball? Little things like that I know I pay attention to just because to see, is that what you’re gonna bring to the team? Are you, you know, happy for other people’s successes? ‘Cause at the end of the day, it’s we before me, or we above me, and doing what’s best for the team.
And so, um, that’s one of the main thing I look at. If they’re on the sideline, maybe they’re not in the game, are they looking at the bench or are they engaged into the game? You know, are they looking at, turned around looking at the fans, engaging, anything like that? Or are they paying attention to the game [00:07:00] too as well and looking at that?
If their, uh, body language when coach is talking to them, eye contact, now all eyes on coach. I know sometimes we might be a little awkward, like, ugh, I don’t wanna stare at the person so much, but, you know, just that, that respect, right? And then too, um, I talked about, like, the offensive side. Now, on the defensive side, what if, what happens when you miss a flag?
Do you just miss your… You miss a flag and hang your shoulders and just sob? Or do you mi- you miss that flag, turn around and hustle to try to make up for it? Little things like that, because it just also just shows, like, how you adapt to when things don’t go your way, and that’s also gonna be how life is, right, um, outside.
So a lot of the times what I like to do as a coach is not only teach you things that are gonna be applied on the field, but stuff you’re gonna take out to you in your real life.
Matt: Oh, love that. Well, let’s talk a little bit more a- about the school. Some folks may be not familiar with Blackburn. Okay. So, uh, you know, uh, if I’m not mistaken, you, you also help out with the basketball program there.
Um, so y- you’ve been there a little bit. Tell us what are some cool things about Blackburn, maybe some things we wouldn’t even know [00:08:00] by going through the website.
Coach: All right. So, um, so Blackburn College, right? It’s a small, small private college in, um, Carlinville, Illinois. About 505 students, 420 of them are on campus.
Now, um- People might think, “Oh, you know, that’s a very tiny, you know, too small or anything.” But the really cool thing about it is that it’s so family tight-knit. And I’ve, you know, coming from El Paso, um, a big city, right, about 700,000 people, to a, a small town in Carlinville, about 5,500 people. I didn’t know, you know, oh my gosh, here I am coming this way.
I have not met a unkind soul yet here, and everyone has just been so supportive. E- all the faculty, staff, other coaches, um, the townspeople, like the, the Car- Carlinvilleans, I guess you’re- I don’t know how to say, but everyone’s been so nice, and I see that with the students as well. And so, yes, you [00:09:00] know, some kids might come from far away, they might get that homesickness, anything, but there’s so much support here to help you.
And so that’s one really thing that drew, like, drew me about coming here on my interview. And so, um, that is one thing that really, um, you know, stands out about Blackburn College. The president of the college will meet you and get to know you. So, I don’t know, um, President Lee, um, his, his son is Spencer Lee, uh, the Olympic o- uh, wrestler.
Mm. So President Lee, uh, loves, um, athletics. He lo- you know, and he also loves Blackburn College. And that’s something too I really, like, when I see him walking sometimes and he’ll see, like, a piece of trash on the ground or something, he’ll pick it up and throw it away, and you know, and that lifts me up to wanna do that too, to take care of my school, to be like, wow, if my president is so proud of this school and everything, ’cause, which he should be, ’cause it is a great school.
It just lifts you up, right? So it’s li- it has… He’s like a transformational leader in a way, and it makes you [00:10:00] wanna be like that as well. So that’s one thing that’s really neat is that the president, how involved he is. Um, he actually would come to m- like, come to my clinics and meet the girls who come, personally meet them and be like, you know, “How are you?
Where are you from?” Talk to their parents and everything. And I don’t, you know, at bigger schools and stuff, sometimes the president doesn’t have time to do that, which makes it unique, right? You actually know the president here. So that’s one really cool thing that stands out about Blackburn College.
Another thing is that it’s a work program college. Um, it’s the only student-led work program college. So what that means is that not only are the students here are students athletes, but they’re also employees of the college. So, um, it’s led by a student. They’re your supervisor. And so let’s just for example say the grass is growing here, right?
Um, Blackburn doesn’t hire third-party vendors. The students just, uh, get to choose what department. Of course they’ll have to do, like, a, a interview, resume, [00:11:00] everything, just like a, a job you would have to apply for. So it’s hands-on experience. So, um, instead of third-party vendors, um, the students at Blackburn are the ones that are taking care of the school.
So you really don’t get that at other universities or colleges, right? They usually have the third party, uh, vendors take care of it and everything. And I think that just, you know, shows that the Blackburn student is a little built different, because who wants to really juggle athletics, academics, and then having to be an employee of the school, right?
Sometimes. But you get that hands-on experience which, which helps build your resume, so by the time you graduate, you know, no- normally employers ask Um, new employees, how, you know, experience, what’s your years of experience? At Blackburn College, you already have that, and it helps. So, and, um, Blackburn has a 97.6 placement rate within six months of graduation for students having a, a full-time job already, which is, you know, a, a great way, teaches that hands-on experience and all.
It, it’s, it’s pretty neat ’cause y- you know, there’s just a certain, uh, pride that these Blackburn students have saying, “This [00:12:00] is like my baby that I’m taking care of.” And, you know, and just to see them be able to juggle everything and be t- efficient with their time, and still maintain, like, enough, you know, high enough grades to stay eligible and still do with the strength and conditioning, all that with- and their practices and everything, it, it’s just incredible.
And it’s only, it’s only 10 hours a week, so that’s two hours a day. But it’s flexible, as long as you take that initiative to be communicating with your supervisor, but it’s just like everyday life, right? Or outside life when you go into the big world. Those are, they’re treat- they’re teaching you skills and, um, experiences that you will need later on.
So that’s another, you know, another great thing that’s cool about Blackburn College. And, um, Blackburn gives you a $8,000 tuition credit back-
Matt: Oh, wow …
Coach: as a way to pay, as a way to pay you back for being that employee. So it’s pretty neat to have that. You know, you get that resume building, that experience, that hands-on stuff, uh, experience, and then the tuition credit.
And let’s just say, um, maybe someone wants to be a, [00:13:00] a veterinarian. We have a vivarium and beehives that you are able to work in that department and get that experience right there to help you. So it’s really cool to see that. And that’s just, we have 12 departments that you can work on, uh, or work in, so it’s pretty cool, you know, to, to have that opportunity here.
Um, and then the, the, another unique thing, and I mentioned it earlier, was about dual athletes. We encourage that. We have, um, some triathletes. We have volleyball players, softball players, basketball players. We have basketball players that do, uh, track, you know, and, um, women’s wrestlings that do, wrestlers that do track, and then of course my, uh, athletes that are gonna do basketball, women’s wrestling, and flag football.
And the cool thing about that is, like, we, we encourage that. We don’t say, “Just stick to my sport.” We trust each other as coaches enough to know that they’re in good hands, and that when they come after their sport is done, they’ll be ready for our sport. So one cool thing, you know, about me helping with the women’s basketball team, [00:14:00] um, I am a volunteer assistant, so, um, there’s certain things, like, I can kinda, you know, uh, slide with with the NCAA rules.
You know what I mean? Um, and so, uh, I’ll be able to be, like, with my flag girls at that time. You get me?
Matt: Yep.
Coach: See, still be around them, everything. Of course, we’re gonna be talking about, like, basketball and all that, but I’ll still be around them to h- you know, helping them, um, with basketball that, again, those skills correlate or translate to, um, flag football.
So it is just pretty cool. It’s pretty cool to, you know, to just to have that, ’cause, you know, sometimes there’s some schools where are like, “Oh, we’re, we’re the basketball school,” or, “We’re the volleyball powerhouse,” or something, you know, and we don’t wanna share. And here it’s just different. And sports athletics here at Blackburn is to enhance your experience.
So the more you’re able to play and you enjoy doing, and it’s what you wanna do, the, you know, we’ll… We’re not here to stop that.
Matt: No, that’s great. Well, let’s, let’s talk about, uh, what the [00:15:00] players can expect. Uh, you know, we’ll, we’ll fast-forward to say, you know, August, September, you know, they’re coming in fresh for the start of the school year.
That’s your off-season. Mm-hmm. What’s the schedule gonna be like for the players during that time of year?
Coach: Definitely. So, um, for the players who aren’t gonna be in different sports, uh, we’re allowed, I believe it’s 26, uh, off-season practices per NCAA. So those will include, you know, strength and conditioning to make sure safety first, right?
We wanna make sure that they’re well-maintained, so by the time when they get out to the field and season starts, they’re, they, uh, don’t have a high risk of getting injury. Um, joking, like there’s a joke around, uh, back at home where I’m called like the ACL coach. They’re like, “Oh, ACL,” you know, ’cause every time I’m like, “ACL ladies, keep your knees out.”
Every… ‘Cause I also help with the strength and conditioning as well. So, um, I’m a huge ACL out. Even with the guys too, I sometimes see them when they let their knees knock or anything like that. But the main thing is just we’re gonna focus on the strength and conditioning to [00:16:00] maintain your bodies, to make sure you are prepared and, um, ready to hit that field out there.
Of course, and then, uh, it’s gonna involve some chalk talk. So yes, we haven’t played yet, but there will be other teams that we might, will face that have played, so we’ll, we’ll dissect film. We’ll learn certain tendencies just to see like, okay, if this receiver always does this, that normally means she’s gonna get the ball, right, when she lines up.
Or if the, the running back puts her hands on her legs, like on her thighs, that means that it, she’s just gonna do a fake, a, a, maybe a RPO or anything like that. Because just, like, reading certain tendencies like that, how, how does the… Is the blitz or fast, rush or fast? Um, do their quarterback always like to run plays or throw plays?
Or, um, you know, certain, certain little tendencies like that we’ll be watching. Um, we’re gonna learn how to do that. And what I like to do with my ladies is, like, I like to tell them first what they see. Let me see, like, let’s see what you see first. Like, if you were g- [00:17:00] going one-on-one on this person or this, this defender or, or, or receiver or rusher, anything, what would you, you know, what do you see of that?
And then of course, we’ll, then we’ll have our practices. Um, and the practice is about two hours, nothing too, too crazy, anything like that, of course. Um, the academic schedule’s from 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM, so of course anything after that or before that would be the schedule. And also if your work schedule as well, but that’s, again, when you would just need to talk to your supervisor.
And the really neat thing about, like, um, supervisors is that they’re students, right? Like I said, they’re student-led, so they understand. They know what it’s like to be a student having to be this employee as well. So they understand how sometimes there’s scheduling conflicts and everything, so they, they have that mutual understanding.
But again, it’s up to you, teaching you to take that initiative and be communicating and everything with your supervisor, and that’s what you’re gonna have to do later on, right, when you graduate, when you get a boss.
Matt: Yeah, absolutely.
Coach: So, [00:18:00] uh, I, uh, those are the, what I’m expecting with this off-season. Of course, community service events as well.
I would love to, for us to, um, get involved with the community any way that we can to let them know that we can’t be here without your support, so we’re supporting you as well. And then, too, I know, um, it’s, we’re affiliated with Division III, but my goal, um, regardless of Division III, is to treat this as an elite program, because they’re elite athletes for making it into the next level regardless the affiliation.
And I, I, I’ve always say this, like, uh, the statistic is, what, 7% of athletes make it to the next level, and that’s including all sports. It’s not just flag football. That’s including every single sport that’s in a high school level. So only 7% make it to that, to the collegiate level regar- regardless if it’s DIII, DI, DIII, DII, uh, uh, JUCO, NAIA, anything like that.
So that’s incredible. So treat it that way. Just because you’re DIII, DIII, doesn’t mean you’re not any better, you know? You’re not consi- I mean, you’re considered elite, [00:19:00] and so that’s my goal for this program, to treat it that way. Um, and it’s, and it’s just gonna teach you, like, you make the best of each si- situation, right?
You make what, what it… Like, for example, the, for the Winter Olympics, there was DIII athletes in it. They didn’t say, “Oh, I was just a DIII athlete, I’m not gonna…” No, they didn’t care. They were a DIII athlete, but still pushed and made the best of it, and now they were in the Winter Olympics, you know? So, um, I like to use, um, one of, uh, our basketball players that graduated.
You know, she DIII, but she made her national Puerto Rican basketball team. She got first round draft picked, uh, number 10. And so that’s incredible, right? She didn’t say, “Oh, I’m just a D3 athlete.” No, now she gets to represent her country, which is crazy. You know, that so it, it’s just, it doesn’t matter. Yes, we, you know, the D1 or bust mindset.
Um, I’m a JUCO product. I went to New Mexico Military Institute, and so, um, I’m a JUCO pr- I played volleyball, collegiate volleyball and everything, but, [00:20:00] you know, um… And I don’t mean to, like, just go off tangent or anything, but just to say, like, I didn’t let that stop me. I’m a, now I’m a pro tackle football player for the Saint Su- St.
Louis Slam. I didn’t be like, “Oh, I’m just a, I was just a JUCO product. I’m a scrub,” anything like that. No. I, you know, I took it as I’m a collegiate athlete. I’m gonna rep my, uh, prepare and rep myself as a collegiate athlete
Matt: Yeah, that’s great. Yeah, you gotta have that mindset. Well, fast-forward to that spring season, uh, what should, what should players expect o- you know, on a weekly, weekly basis in terms of training, how many games are you guys gonna play, who you playing, what’s that gonna look like?
Coach: So right now, since we are a brand-new se- uh, team, and, um, we’re getting kind of like our feet wet, we are gonna have a condensed schedule. Um, the furthest we will travel is to Fulton, Missouri, which is about three hours away, um, but they’re in our conference. We’re part of the St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.
So the only schools in our conference that have flag football right now th- that will be sponsoring a spring 2027, [00:21:00] it’s us, s- um, Greenville University, um, it’s, uh, Westmon University, which that’s the school that’s gonna be in Fulton. Or, I’m sorry, Westminster College, sorry, which is g- that’s the one that’s in Fulton, Missouri, and then Eureka College.
So we have nine total schools in our conference, and only four of us have, are sponsoring a, um, flag football season for, for spring 2027. We’re hoping later on more will, ’cause we need at least six in order to sponsor a champ- uh, a conference championship. So we’re gonna be playing against Millikin University, which is in Decatur, which is about two hours away.
We’re gonna be playing UIS Springfield, which is Division II, so we’re gonna be cro- cross-divisioning and, and cross-conferencing as well. And they’re all gonna be new programs too. And so, um, we have… It’s a small, condensed schedule, and e- only eight games are… It’s still tentative because, um, we might set up some tri matches at away games.
I know, um, East Texas, uh, Baptists reached out, uh, and [00:22:00] Coach Cedric at Eureka and I, we both agreed that we would be interested in doing a tri mat- match against them. You know, that’d be cool to get s- you know, them down here. But, um, the schedule looks like it’s gonna be from March 10th through, uh, April 21st.
So it’s gonna be a small, condensed, but just to get our feet wet, and then as it go- grows and continues, then we’ll expand. We’ll go further. I know schools like Ripon in, uh, Wisconsin have asked, like, you know, about scrimmaging, and, um, and I just said, “Near future,” you know? Let’s just, let’s just start small right now and then expand later on when it comes to the scheduling.
Um, I also don’t wanna take too much away from, like, the girls’ schooling as well. We wanna make sure we get those ducks, ducks in a row first, and then plan accordingly after that to see how everything goes or how they adjust to it and all. Um, with the trainings and everything, again, uh, still do light weights.
We would not do anything heavy, anything, so we’ll still stick with our strength and conditioning, a- agility work, and then, um, our practices as well. And our games are scheduled to [00:23:00] be played on Wednesdays and Saturdays.
Matt: Okay, awesome. Well, Coach, you’ve given us a bunch of info, and I’m only got o- one last question for you, and that is what, what didn’t we talk about?
What did we miss? What else would you want anybody to know, maybe folks that are looking to get recruited and play in college or, or anything else like that, what else should they know?
Coach: Um, I would just say, uh, for, you know, the, the athletes who are looking to get recruited, um, again, regardless, if you, if you feel that you’re like D-1, D-2, and not D-3 or anything, still, uh, acknowledge the coach.
Still acknowledge, you know, the email. Just say, you know, answer, um, “No, thank you,” or, you know, “Thank you for re- reaching out.” That way that coach will know, okay, they’re not interested or anything. Don’t… Uh, what’s the word? Don’t ghost- Yeah … in a way. You don’t wanna ghost. It’s just, you know, proper etiquette, uh, consideration.
I know, like for ex- uh, just putting it in their perspectives, maybe if they had like a, uh, uh, an event or something that they wanted someone to have respond to, but that person [00:24:00] ghosts them. You, they wouldn’t want that happening, right? So just, you know, and coaches talk. Coaches do talk. I’ve had a coach, um, I mentioned…
Uh, or, or it was at an event, and, um, you know, someone said, and I don’t mean to… I’m just, just bringing up that coaches do talk, right?
Matt: Yep.
Coach: Someone mentioned something about, “Well, why don’t you recruit athletes from New York?” And this coach personally said, um, “No, because of my experience with them, uh, I’m not touching that, you know, that area anymore.”
When it, it was g- it was regardless, it was in regards to like, um, attitudes and, like personalities and stuff like that. Just how, you know, so coaches talk. And, um, and so if you don’t acknowledge one coach, you know what I mean, or, or ghost or anything, that coach might tal- talk to another coach and let them know.
A- and so that will completely like be like, “Okay, never mind,” you know? And I also do want to know, uh, let you know, um, that recruits know too, there’s a school for [00:25:00] everyone. There’s a school out there for everyone. And, um, one thing that I do in my recruiting is that I do not like to look, overlook hidden gems.
There’s hidden gems everywhere. Maybe you, maybe you didn’t have a great game one time, but what about the next game? Something, like, you know, things like that. Don’t, don’t get discouraged or anything, ’cause again, there’s a school for everyone. And, and part of it is that you have to take that initiative, and you have to, again, make the best of the situation, everything, um, that way you will be able to have that opportunity to play collegiate flag football.
‘Cause coaches are looking, um, and if they, um… I see all the time in, like the collegiate flag football, uh, Facebook page, everything, where coaches are constantly posting roster spots still available, you know? So, um, there’s, there’s a school out there for everyone.
Matt: For sure. Well, Coach, I really appreciate your time.
Wish you the best of luck in your inaugural season and, uh, hopefully you’ll fill out that [00:26:00] roster and, and have some great success.
Coach: Thank you so much. Thank you for this opportunity, and if anyone has any questions or anything, uh, please feel free to reach out to me.
Matt: Thank you.
Coach: You’re welcome. Thank you.